Monday, January 12, 2026

We just want you to be happy, Carol. Update

E pluribus unum is written on the banner


 Spouse talked me into watching Pluribus. A show that I had heard much about, but I didn't want to watch yet another adaptation of puppetmaster/Body snatchers, this time by alien invasion.

I figured that the acclaim was mostly marketing and didn't want to watch yet another series made by a media giant.

I expected to binge watch it, but had enough after 3 episodes looking for the last which I could not find, as I do with some books to see what happens. I do plan to watch the rest of the season, so please no spoilers.

Spoilers for the first 8 episodes:

Hmm. So far it is thought provoking, but obviously heavily inspired by sci fi novels, feeding into or reflecting our current fears of losing autonomy and a hive mentality, which we recently experienced with social media, as well as a complete loss of the individual.

Spouse asked me if the hive reminded me of anything current. It's AI. Access to all the knowledge of the human race, it is looking forward to another book when Carol pretends to want to write again, because the hive does not appear to know creativity. It also cannot distinguish between Carol's trashy bestsellers and Shakespeare. It doesn't understand the knowledge or emotion it has acquired.

Frightening in its parallels to current society and what the internet has become.

Of course it's also about grieving and tremendous loss, but the protagonist, an impossibly strong female character manages to get through it. As to Carol, I really liked her character with all her sarcasm and intelligence.

Something that is interesting is that Carol's anger disrupts the "peaceful" hive mind to the point of incapacity. The koi suite in the ice hotel which represent resilience, strength and  perserverence; after a Chinese legend that koi swim upstream to turn into dragons. There are probably many references that I didn't catch. My attention span isn't what it used to be before all the scrolling.

Something that made no sense to me; if they take Buddhism to the extreme of not hurting anything; releasing animals from the zoo into habitats they can't survive in would harm them. Surely there is a zoologist that would have pointed that out?

The show is interesting but not great and I do not see how they are planning on four more seasons. Rhea Seehorn just won the golden globe. Incredibly well deserved after she is practically the only character in many scenes.

Update:

Watched up to the finale (Episode 9). Apparently the servers are overwhelmed, so couldn't watch it. I miss the good old TV days.

I wont spoil it, but I definitely recommend it. It has a lot of pop culture references. I think what you see is what you get; there are no big action sequences and weve gotten used to either that or elaborate alien spaceships in scifi.

The cinematography is beautiful and apparently not CGI. The first episode is intense. The whole series so far, mostly psychological horror, unease and stressful. What I liked the most is that Carol is relatable. It's the first time that a person in that situation knows the world is suddenly batshit and goes through normal reactions snarky one moment, scared the next and in a panic can't make something work, sleeps on it and then has a facepalm moment.

Finished watching the first season. I recommend it. Am hooked and it's disquieting and relevant to today's world. I only hope that it doesn't turn into J.J.Abrams Lost.

The humor is refreshing. No great one liners, but Carol is pure sarcasm. Some situations are absurdly funny. (Still chuckling at the drone).

Here it is:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d2cWxqo27zU

Final thought, if everyone was about peace, love and happiness, and nothing else, wouldn't joining them be akin to joining a cult?


SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER The following assumes youve watched it. A few thoughts:

I still give the show a 6 to 8 out of 10. What the show does really well is lay down the bare bones and then leave viewers to analyze and discuss it.

I was looking at online discussions and how many people disliked Carol. Spouse said and I agree that had it been a male character he would at most be a curmudgeon. I thought of Will Smith in I am Legend (there's also a golf scene) but when we discussed him back then, there was no criticism of his personality but compassion for the situation he's in.

Somehow people lost empathy in the last decade. I rarely come across any understanding of the incredible loss and trauma the humans have gone through. Carol in particular. People are devasted by the loss of a loved one, she also has to deal with the loss of humanity and potentially her own individuality.

Manounos actually tells them: you took our world from us. You don't belong here.

Another theme is that different cultures deal with it differently. The highly communal Peruvian girl would rather join then lose her community.

The 12 survivors are a cross section of humanity. Including a mother who pretends her child is fine, rather than doing anything to make sure the child is well. The French guy just wants to live his fantasy inspired by movies. Utterly selfish and self absorbed. Like Cypher in the matrix he just wants to eat his juicy steak. The hive doesn't seem happy about acting.

The hive can learn and I suspect it's learning from the humans it inhabits. Otherwise it seems to be a thoughtless species requiring a host. I think they can learn to lie. The frequency (sound?) of anger disrupts their telepathy, maybe more. I think the massage scene was very poorly done.

The hive doesn't care about what it's doing to any other species but probably genuinely believes that it's helping.

Once you've seen it, I'll check back here if you wish to discuss it.

If you watched it, what did you think of it? What are some cultural references you noticed?



15 comments:

  1. No time for TV at present, but I'm intrigued.

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    1. Codex: I was actually thinking of you while watching, curious what you thought of it. It's unique and novel, could easily descend into nonsense, but am recommending it at 6 to 8 out of ten.
      Slow paced. No great dialog. Stunning cinematography. Psychological horror but one of the few times that people are reacting in a very natural way if a situation like this were to happen.

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    2. Convinced. Will watch...in late February. Fingers crossed.

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  2. I'd watch it but we don't have AppleTV. Says available on Prime but I think you have to pay extra.

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    1. Codex: You can get a free trial subscription with some providers.

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  3. I watched. I don’t get the over the top hype about the series though I root for Carol. Rhea Seehorn is the whole show really. Her fellow South American misanthrope is a disappointment so far. I had such hope for when they finally connected. The show is beautifully filmed. The hive mind frustrates me in that I really wanted to know more about how it works. I had so many questions, saw so many plot holes there. I too can’t imagine where they’ll go next season. I hope to be surprised. I’ll keep watching.

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    1. Oh, I disagree. Manounos is perfect. That scene when he's driving is PERFECTION. The character is exactly how I think my husband would behave. I was disappointed that we kept going back to Carol. I mean, I love Carol, but I was hoping Manounos would get more screen time. I can't wait to learn more about his back story (apparently his mom wasn't awesome!).

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    2. Codex: Both of them is how people who don't give up would behave. What did you think of the aliens? Their ineptitude?

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  4. Codex: I think Manounos has a .military background. I was surprised but liked their meeting. Carol stood her ground and taught him that she doesn't do "snap". He learned to respect her. What loop holes did you notice?

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  5. Codex@37. I don't think either of them is a misanthrope. The French speaking guy maybe. Carol wants humankind back as does Maniunos. They're the only ones doing anything about it. They hate the aliens as they should, who knows how many civilizations they've done this to?

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    1. It’s not clear to me Carol and Manounos even understand that they’re dealing with aliens. Does the hive mind itself understand that? Did I miss that detail? My own human mind has trouble fathoming everyone else’s mind holding the identical interconnected download, being essentially the same person in a cognitive emotional intellectual sense, yet performing individual functions. How does that decision making occur? How are relationships formed? The kind that will ensure the perpetuation of the hive? Or are they? When one feels any kind of pleasure, do they all? The way they all experience Carol’s rage, for example (which they actually experience in different degrees, with some dying, some not). The logic doesn’t carry all the way through. But I might be overthinking, as I do.

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    2. Codex: Yes both C and M and the hive know. There's a scene where Zosha(sp?) shows Carol where they're from at the astronomy conservatory.
      I don't know if you saw but I've added some more thoughts in the post before your comment.
      I think they're like an intergalactic virus. It's how they procreate. Like the Borg, but worse.

      I don't think your overthinking. It's meant to be thought provoking. Aliens might be so alien we wouldn't understand them at all.
      It's inconsistent though 11 billion humans with today's technology, but were at 8 today not 11. They don't cause harm but can't sustain the population because they won't pick an apple? Where are the babies? I think the show would have been better as a miniseries rather than four seasons.
      Yes thought of that too they can all perform all functions. Who decides who does what?

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  6. I think a lot of the criticism around Carol is that she IS sort of unlikeable. We like(d) Helen and Helen liked Carol, so we KNOW there's something in Carol that's worthwhile and it took a bit for me to figure out why Helen was into Carol. I also think it's gendered. If Carol were played by Harrison Ford, people would be amused by the grizzled grump (as, to be completely transparent, I am in the other Apple TV show Shrinking).

    I would rate this show much more highly than you did. I think it's beautiful and the score is amazing. I don't understand everything (why did some people like Helen die when they were infected and not everybody?) and I want more screen time for the other survivors, but I thought this was great. Anything that emphasizes how AI is destroying the life of the mind and creative work is important in today's cultural and technological landscape.

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    1. Codex: I don't think she's unlikeable. I've worked with women that embody that inner good person but are tough and strong. She's herself with what we perceive as male attributes.
      What makes her unlikeable?
      Also watched a good interview I'll add it if I find it and they initially wrote it for a male character. Very gendered perception. Carol is simply a "tough broad"

      they'll Probably get into the other survivors later on.

      We had the same question. I think that Helen may have had partial immunity couldnt/wouldn't join, but it killer her. (Guessing)

      I've read A LOT of scifi so I recognize many references (soylent green). To me the aliens seem either naive or they're lying so I'm hesitant or jaded about liking it. So many shows start out great and then it becomes this drawn out resistance fighting against the aliens. (Which were going to end up with if the hive is an AI metaphor)

      Haven't watched shrinking. You're in it or into it?

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    2. I really disagree with you. The purposefully made Carol unlikeable. She is a tough broad and I don't like her and wouldn't want to hang with her in the before or after. I wouldn't want to hang with a dude who was as dismissive of their reading audience as Carol was, either.

      I love Shrinking. It's cheesy and sappy, but we all need a little happiness in our life.

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